All That I Have Met
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All That I Have Met
Dispatch: Sam Kiley on the Middle East
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"History is happening to people who have become very complacent about history being a thing that happens to other people."
That's Sam Kiley, near the end of our conversation. And the line I keep coming back to.
Sam has covered every major conflict of the past thirty years — from Somalia, Rwanda and Iraq, to Afghanistan, Ukraine and — now — the widening war in the Middle East. He is World Affairs Editor of The Independent, a two-time Emmy winner, and — perhaps most usefully — not an American journalist. So he has no institutional reason to edit what he reports.
I called him on March 29th, two days after the Houthis entered the fight and the day after President Zelenskyy signed defence agreements with Saudi Arabia and Qatar. We covered a lot of ground: the logic, or lack of it, behind the US-Israeli strikes on Iran; what the Mosaic defence strategy means for anyone still thinking in 20th-century military terms; why Houthi involvement could reshape global trade in ways most people aren't tracking; and what Gaza's endgame actually looks like when you strip away the noise.
There was also something I didn't expect: a case that the war in the Middle East may be doing more for Ukraine's long-term survival than three years of Western military aid. And a question about where, right now, Sam sees the ingredients for a coup most clearly assembled.
The answer is not where most people would look.
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